The author at SquareState.net:: Anchor Blastocysts has got a good legal argument that I hadn't heard before regarding the movement to classify a fetus as a legal person from the moment of conception. The purpose of the rule is of course to make abortion legally murder. But there will be unanticipated consequences.
If the “Blastocysts are people too!” ballot measure passes in Colorado, the moment any undocumented worker gets pregnant, not only is that Blastocyst a person—it's also an American Citizen!
Aside from the not-so-small point that citizenship is a federal issue and it is not clear from first principles whether the federal rule should or would follow the state rule, there's obviously something powerful about this logic especially if the Colorado model were ever to be adopted on a national basis.
In that case, if a noncitizen female conceives a child in the US, presumably it would be wrong to deport the blastocyte or fetus. And that means we can't deport the mother either. At least until the kid is born after which we are, as news reports from all over show, perfectly willing to deport mothers of small citizens if the mothers lack proper documentation.
I should add that, while powerful, this logic is not inevitable. Anglo-American law has in the past been able to make various distinctions about the unborn. Although not persons for most purposes, the inheritance laws, for example, extended to children “en ventre sa mère” (the absence of the “de” is not a typo; this is Law French, not the real thing). So it remains possible that the same people who deport nursing parents, leaving the citizens to fend for themselves, would have little trouble finding a theory to deport the unborn citizens as well. Pointing to the problems of proving domestic conception (the mind boggles) is only a first step….
So, IUD==murder? I wonder what people will think when they discover that unintended (?) copnsequence.
So, IUD==murder? I wonder what people will think when they discover that unintended (?) copnsequence.
Consider a woman with a history of miscarriages ( known medically as spontaneous abortions, a term that the No Choicers hate):
1. If the woman fails to address her condition aggressively and continues to miscarry, is she committing negligent homicide?
2. If she persists in her attempts to carry a pregnancy to term, and is unable to do so inspite of all possible known medical treatment, is she guilty of murder by depraved indifference?
3. Could the government require her to be sterilized against her will to prevent her from killing Blasto-Americans or even Embryo-Americans?
4. What would be her OB-GYN’s legal exposure under these hypotheticals? Does anyone think that this medical specialty– let alone the fertility sub-specialty — would survive in such an atmosphere?
The Constitution explicitly states that everyone who is born in this country is a citizen. This would not conflict with blastocytes being legally people, because it’s quite possible to be a person, and in the US, and not a citizen.
Legal logic doesn’t work very well if you don’t bother using accurate premises.
Consider a woman with a history of miscarriages ( known medically as spontaneous abortions, a term that the No Choicers hate):
1. If the woman fails to address her condition aggressively and continues to miscarry, is she committing negligent homicide?
2. If she persists in her attempts to carry a pregnancy to term, and is unable to do so inspite of all possible known medical treatment, is she guilty of murder by depraved indifference?
3. Could the government require her to be sterilized against her will to prevent her from killing Blasto-Americans or even Embryo-Americans?
4. What would be her OB-GYN’s legal exposure under these hypotheticals? Does anyone think that this medical specialty– let alone the fertility sub-specialty — would survive in such an atmosphere?
Sorry for the double post– I received an “Error- timed out” message.
The world of possibilities opened up by Brett’s observation that personhood within the US doesn’t automatically grant citizenship is, IMHO, even more interesting. Where do you deport the new illegal alien to? Current case law doesn’t require the government to prove that someone entered the country, just that they’re here without being a citizen and without proper documentation. Does the mother have to go with? Is dad guilty as well due to his contribution to the illegal presence? If the illegal is incarcerated pending a deportation hearing, what happens regarding the mother and habeus corpus? Can the illegal remain in the US until birth grants citizenship because they are undergoing life-sustaining treatment (i.e. gestation)? If a citizen gets pregnant during a jaunt outside the country and returns before giving birth, is she guilty of smuggling an illegal alien? Does she need to become pregnant in a foreign country for this to occur or is it sufficient to go beyond territorial waters? If a woman becomes pregnant inside the US, is she guilty of transporting and harboring an illegal? I’m not sure if the separate sentences for smuggling, harboring, transporting, etc. an illegal can run concurrently or if twins, triplets, etc. would multiply the penalties, but wouldn’t it be interesting if mom was still in jail long enough for Junior to become President (as a natural-born American) and pardon her for the crime of smuggling him into the country?
The view that life, and attached thereto a right to life, begins at conception falls very clearly within the purview of a “human rights” issue independent of legal constructions of citizenship.
To argue that conservatives are “shooting themselves in the foot” by unintentionally granting citizenship to those conceived here is sophomoric, and not devoid of insult.
I agree with ‘David Copperfield”s first paragraph. But I stand by my suggestion — which nowhere mentioned feet — that “there will be unanticipated consequences.”
A really interesting observation that can eventually cause some serious repercusions.